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by "erach27@[EMAIL PROTECTED] " <erach27@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 15, 2008 at 12:16 AM

consult "urine therapy" 156,000 web-pages and dr s n bhavasar whose
patient said on indian national tv program "DOORDARSHAN NATIONAL
SAHYADRI CHANNEL at 7:30 am" that he was declared brain-dead and dr
bhavasar brought him (heart was beating though) to a stage where he
could come on television.

Erach

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Date: Mar 15, 4:56 am
Subject: Today Show Part 2: AAP President Tells Giant Easily
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http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2008/03/aap-president-tells-gi...

Yesterday, in a segment on autism and vaccines on the Today Show, Dr.
David
Tayloe, President Elect of the American Academy of Pediatrics, was
asked the
following question:

"Do you believe that all vaccines should be used on every child?"

His complete response:

"Yes. I think any of the vaccines we have today have been tested and
proven
to be safe, and the credible studies don't show any relation****p
between
vaccines and permanent injury. So we favor this and we know that
unless we
have vaccination rates that are in the 90 to 95% range we are not
going to
prevent epidemics from coming into this country of measles, of polio,
from
countries where these diseases are still endemic. So its very
im****tant that
we vaccinate all our children."

Repeating: No "relation****p between vaccines and permanent injury".

This is probably the most glaring falsehood that I have heard in the
vaccine
debate yet, stated by the chief pediatrician in the US, to whom all
other
pediatricians look to for guidance in how to treat their patients.

Has Dr. Tayloe has never heard of the Federal Program called the
Vaccine
Injury Compensation Program, the sole purpose of which it to
compensate
people for the permanent injuries that they sustain from approved
vaccines?

=46rom the VICP section of the HRSA web site that shows the vaccine
injuries
that are covered:

"The Vaccine Injury Table (Table) makes it easier for some people to
get
compensation. The Table lists and explains injuries/conditions that
are
presumed to be caused by vaccines. It also lists time periods in which
the
first symptom of these injuries/conditions must occur after receiving
the
vaccine. If the first symptom of these injuries/conditions occurs
within the
listed time periods, it is presumed that the vaccine was the cause of
the
injury or condition unless another cause is found. For example, if you
received the tetanus vaccines and had a severe allergic reaction
(anaphylaxis) within 4 hours after receiving the vaccine, then it is
presumed that the tetanus vaccine caused the injury if no other cause
is
found."

A quick rundown of a few of the covered reactions:

DTaP, Tdap, DTP-Hib, MMR, MR, R - Anaphylactic shock, encephalopathy,
any
accute complication or sequela of above events(including death).

Rubella vaccines - Chronic arthritis, any acute complication or
sequela
(including death) of above event.

Measles vaccines - Thrombocytopenic purpura, Mealses, any acute
complication
or sequela (including death) of above event.

Live Virus Polio vaccines - Polio.

Inactivated Virus Polio vaccines - Anaphylactic shock, any acute
complication or sequela of above events(including death).

I am pretty sure that "Death" could be considered permanent injury.

Additionally, perhaps Dr. Tayloe has never read a package insert in a
box of
vaccine.

Here is a random sample of insert quotes. Let's start with the one
that sent
my two week old Chandler into three months worth of fevers and crying
and
two years of consipation:

ENGERIX-B, Hepatitis B Vaccine -
"Multiple Sclerosis: Although no causal relation****p has been
established,
rare instances of exacerbation of multiple sclerosis have been
re****ted
following administration of hepatitis B vaccines and other vaccines.
In
persons with multiple sclerosis, the benefit of immunization for
prevention
of hepatitis B infection and sequelae must be weighed against the risk
of
exacerbation of the disease."

"Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility: ENGERIX-B has
not
been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for
impairment of
fertility."

"Postmarketing Re****ts: Additional adverse experiences have been
re****ted
with the commercial use of ENGERIX-B. Those listed below are to serve
as
alerting information to physicians.

Hypersensitivity: Anaphylaxis; erythema multiforme including Stevens-
Johnson
syndrome; angioedema; arthritis. An apparent hypersensitivity syndrome
(serum sickness-like) of delayed onset has been re****ted days to weeks
after
vaccination, including: arthralgia/arthritis (usually transient),
fever, and
dermatologic reactions such as urticaria, erythema multiforme,
ecchymoses,
and erythema nodosum (see CONTRAINDICATIONS).
Cardiovascular System: Tachycardia/palpitations.
Respiratory System: Bronchospasm including asthma-like symptoms.
Gastrointestinal System: Abnormal liver function tests; dyspepsia.
Nervous System: Migraine; syncope; paresis; neuropathy including
hypoesthesia, paresthesia, Guillain-Barr=E9 syndrome and Bell's palsy,
transverse myelitis; optic neuritis; multiple sclerosis; seizures.
Hematologic: Thrombocytopenia.
Skin and Appendages: Eczema; purpura; herpes zoster; erythema nodosum;
alopecia.
Special Senses: Conjunctivitis; keratitis; visual disturbances;
vertigo;
tinnitus; earache."

"CONTRAINDICATIONS - Hypersensitivity to any component of the vaccine,
including yeast, is a contraindication. This vaccine is
contraindicated in
patients with previous hypersensitivity to any hepatitis B-containing
vaccine."

(Even though my baby, in no uncertain terms, showed
"hypersensitivity", his
doctors continued to administer the vaccine to him until his
regression at
18 months).

This is given to babies that are hours old. And remember, the head of
the
AAP says, even though the package insert says different, that the
vaccine is
safe for every child and no permanent injury will occur.

Fluvirin, Flu Vaccine

"Controlled studies on FLUVIRIN=AE have not been conducted to
demonstrate
safety in pregnant women."

"CONTRAINDICATIONS
INFLUENZA VIRUS IS PROPAGATED IN EGGS FOR THE PREPARATION OF INFLUENZA
VIRUS
VACCINE. THUS, THIS VACCINE SHOULD NOT BE ADMINISTERED TO ANYONE WITH
A
HISTORY OF HYPERSENSITIVITY (ALLERGY) TO CHICKEN EGGS, CHICKEN,
CHICKEN
FEATHERS OR CHICKEN DANDER.
THE VACCINE IS ALSO CONTRAINDICATED IN INDIVIDUALS HYPERSENSITIVE TO
ANY
COMPONENT OF THE VACCINE INCLUDING THIMEROSAL (A MERCURY DERIVATIVE)
(SEE
ADVERSE REACTIONS). EPINEPHRINE INJECTION (1:1000) MUST BE IMMEDIATELY
AVAILABLE SHOULD AN ACUTE ANAPHYLACTIC REACTION OCCUR DUE TO ANY
COMPONENT
OF THE VACCINE.
IMMUNIZATION SHOULD BE DELAYED IN PERSONS WITH AN ACTIVE NEUROLOGICAL
DISORDER
CHARACTERIZED BY CHANGING NEUROLOGICAL FINDINGS, BUT SHOULD BE
CONSIDERED
WHEN THE
DISEASE PROCESS HAS BEEN STABILIZED.
THE OCCURRENCE OF ANY NEUROLOGICAL SYMPTOMS OR SIGNS FOLLOWING
ADMINISTRATION OF ANY
VACCINE IS A CONTRAINDICATION TO FURTHER USE.
THE VACCINE SHOULD NOT BE ADMINISTERED TO PERSONS WITH ACUTE FEBRILE
ILLNESSES UNTIL THEIR TEM****ARY SYMPTOMS AND/OR SIGNS HAVE ABATED."

WARNINGS
Influenza Virus Vaccine should not be given to individuals with
thrombocytopenia or any coagulation disorder that would contraindicate
intramuscular injection unless, in the judgment of the physician, the
potential benefits clearly outweigh the risk of administration.
Patients with impaired immune responsiveness, whether due to the use
of
immunosuppressive therapy (including irradiation, corticosteroids,
antimetabolites, alkylating agents, and cytotoxic agents), a genetic
defect,
human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection, or other causes, may
have a
reduced antibody response in active immunization procedures.

But if Dr. Tayloe is right, the package insert should be changed to
read:

"CONTRAINDICATIONS
None."

"WARNINGS
None."

P.S.:

"No studies regarding the simultaneous administration of inactivated
influenza vaccine and other childhood vaccines have been conducted."

One more... Merck's MMR vaccine:

"CONTRAINDICATIONS
Hypersensitivity to any component of the vaccine, including gelatin.
Do not give M-M-R II to pregnant females; the possible effects of the
vaccine on fetal development are unknown at this time. If vaccination
of
postpubertal females is undertaken, pregnancy should be avoided for
three
months following vaccination (see INDICATIONS AND USAGE, Non-Pregnant
Adolescent and Adult Females and PRECAUTIONS, Pregnancy).
Anaphylactic or anaphylactoid reactions to neomycin (each dose of
reconstituted vaccine contains approximately 25 mcg of neomycin).
Febrile respiratory illness or other active febrile infection.
However, the
ACIP has recommended that all vaccines can be administered to persons
with
minor illnesses such as diarrhea, mild upper respiratory infection
with or
without low-grade fever, or other low-grade febrile illness.
Patients receiving immunosuppressive therapy. This contraindication
does not
apply to patients who are receiving corticosteroids as replacement
therapy,
e.g., for Addison's disease.
Individuals with blood dyscrasias, leukemia, lymphomas of any type, or
other
alignant neoplasms affecting the bone marrow or lymphatic systems.
Primary and acquired immunodeficiency states, including patients who
are
immunosuppressed in association with AIDS or other clinical
manifestations
of infection with human immunodeficiency viruses;41-43 cellular immune
deficiencies; and hypogammaglobulinemic and dysgammaglobulinemic
states.
Measles inclusion body encephalitis60 (MIBE), pneumonitis61 and death
as a
direct consequence of disseminated measles vaccine virus infection
have been
re****ted in immunocompromised individuals inadvertently vaccinated
with
measles-containing vaccine.
Individuals with a family history of congenital or hereditary
immunodeficiency, until the immune competence of the potential vaccine
recipient is emonstrated."

"WARNINGS
Due caution should be employed in administration of M-M-R II to
persons with
a history of cerebral injury, individual or family histories of
convulsions,
or any other condition in which stress due to fever should be avoided.
The
physician should be alert to the temperature elevation which may occur
following vaccination (see ADVERSE REACTIONS).
Hypersensitivity to Eggs Live measles vaccine and live mumps vaccine
are
produced in chick embryo cell culture. Persons with a history of
anaphylactic, anaphylactoid, or other immediate reactions (e.g.,
hives,
swelling of the mouth and throat, difficulty breathing, hypotension,
or
shock) subsequent to egg ingestion may be at an enhanced risk of
immediate-type hypersensitivity reactions after receiving vaccines
containing traces of chick embryo antigen. The potential risk to
benefit
ratio should be carefully evaluated before considering vaccination in
such
cases. Such individuals may be vaccinated with extreme caution, having
adequate treatment on hand should a reaction occur"

"The AAP states, "Persons who have experienced anaphylactic reactions
to
topically or systemically administered neomycin should not receive
measles
vaccine."

Now that Dr. Tayloe is running the AAP, with they remove that
statement from
the insert?

I have not even gotten to the sections on Adverse Reactions yet, but I
have
already made my point.

Oh, yeah... and then last week the Hannah Poling case broke.

It is factual to say that in come cases, approved vaccines DO result
in
permanent injury and that not all vaccines are safe for all children.

Dr. Tayloe is wrong.

Either he knows what I have written above, in which case he has lied
to the
American public and has not place as the head of the AAP, or he does
not
know what I have written above, in which case he is incompetent to be
the
head of the AAP.

=2E.. and there is not a chance in hell that he does not know about all
that I
have written here.

Additionally, allow me to draw your attention to the second half of
Dr.
Tayloe's statement:

"So we favor this and we know that unless we have vaccination rates
that are
in the 90 to 95% range we are not going to prevent epidemics from
coming
into this country of measles, of polio, from countries where these
diseases
are still endemic. So its very im****tant that we vaccinate all our
children."

Note the goal of his vaccination policy, not to serve the best
interest of
your individual child, but to protect this country of a viral
epidemic.

Keep in mind, that when your are in the pediatricians office and he is
looking at your child and making decisions on how to treat him, the
AAP, his
professional organization has taught him that your baby is not his
client.
That 'society' is his client. And that depending on how ethical he is
or how
sharp his critical thinking skills are, he may not actually be serving
your
child, but "the greater good".

We have been lobbying the AAP to reevaluate vaccines and move in a
more
cautious direction in making recommendations for their doctors.

If the appointment of Dr. Tayloe and his criminal pronouncements are
the
response to the AAP of parents increasingly loud protestations of
their
destructive direction, then it is time to start ignoring the AAP.

There are many, many pediatrician out there who genuinely want to work
in
the best interests of their patients, and as difficult as it was for
me and
Honey to hear Dr. Tayloe lie on tv, it must have been more difficult
for
them to have heard. They know that serious vaccine reactions exist,
and they
just watched the man that represents them tell a very stupid lie to
the
entire country.

(plesee excuse any typos, etc, as I have not had a chance to proof
this. I
reserve the right to make corrections)

Posted by Ginger at 1:14 PM

Labels: AAP, Dr. David Tayloe, Hannah Poling, Media, The Today Show,
Thimerosal

3 comments:
AudioJim said...
"we know that unless we have vaccination rates that are in the 90 to
95%
range we are not going to prevent epidemics.."

HOW do we know this, I would ask? How can we *possibly* know this,
unless we
have run studies on large unvaccinated and vaccinated populations,
BOTH in
the U.S. or in countries of similar hygeinic and developmental
standards.

Surely the percentage to reach "hurd immunity" is not as high as 90%?

On person mentioned (in a comment on the AgeOfAutism blog) that she
has her
child's Ig titers teseted and IgA - the one most responsible for the
adaptive immune system's antibody response, was negative. Negative
relative
to a "reference range" almost certainly "correct" for adults, not 6-
month
old children. But still, this raises the very interesting question of
*are
vaccinations doing ANYTHING positive*. By positive, I mean creating
immunity. Al Plethchnor, autor of Pets At Risk, runs Ig test of pets
as well
as antibody titer tests to test for immunity developed from
vaccination. In
his book, his discusses several cases where a vaccination *failed to
produce
an antibody response*.

This raises 2 im****tant questions:

1) If vaccines are not doing anything useful for children in terms of
creating immunity (their stated purpose), why are we using them at
all? Why
use them if they don't do anything but possibly create or increase
disfunctions in the immune system, mitochondrial system, endocrine
system,
and neurological system (from the mercury, aluminum, and other toxins
AND
from the unnatural immunological action of the vaccine).

2) This is possibly a more interesting question: if (for instance - I
don't
have the DTaP vaccinations at 1, 4, and 6 months do nothing in terms
of
creating immunity, why don't we see raging diptheria and whooping
caugh
epidemics in children under 6 months? If this is true (that the
vaccines
before a certain age do little of nothing to create immunity), this
DIRECTLY
contradicts the oft-repeated "public health" statement that vaccines
are
necessary to prevent epidemics. You cannot prevent an epidemic without
immunity, so where are the epidemics?

The is an explanation that perhaps one of the later DTaP shouts *does*
create immunity, which then prevents epidemics in ADULTS which might
otherwise happen, and be spread the children. If this is the case,
does it
not make sense to simply skip vaccinations that (most of the time)
don't
work before the age of 6-9 months, and only vaccinate later when the
immune
system is able to not only actually create immunity? At that time, the
immune system might not only be ready to crate immunity, but also be
able to
perhaps prevent some or all of the horrific injuries that appear to be
linked to vaccinations (sometimes within minutes or hours of
injection) -
some probably partly or fully autoimmune in nature, as seen in autism
(and
Type 1 diabetes, and perhaps "setting the stage" for autoimmunies
which
develop later)

Donald Miller MD has developed a "safe(r)" vaccination schedule (can
be
found at GenerationRescue) that includes only 4 vaccines, to be given
separately, in a non-toxic form, using NO live viruses. These 4 are
DTaP,
and Polio.

This makes sense, as these four diseases are either very dangerous to
a
child or more virulent and likely to create an epidemic (in the case
of
diphtheria, pertussis, and polio. Polio and Tetanus if contracted
mostly
likely leave a child partly or completely crippled for life, or dead,
to my
knowledge (I am not aware of antibiotic/anti-vital treatment for polio
or
tetanus).

If indeed there is "herd immunity" among adults which prevent both
adult and
child outbreaks of measles, mumps, etc, then there is a question of
vaccinating for these disease SEPARATELY and LATER IN LIFE. (Later in
life
people can deal with shots better than kids too, so there is less
"multiple
vaccine" pressure, as well as much less crying)

Of course, this entire argument rests on the idea that vaccines DO NOT
by
and large create immunity before a certain age. The only way to test
this is
to run studies on immune titers in children after vaccinations, and
adults -
and possibly children naturally exposed to these diseases by
unvaccinated.
This is the only way I can see to 1) establish whether this hypothesis
is
true, and 2) in order to do that, establish what appropriate antibody
levels
in young children/infants actually is.

And research MUST proceed toward developing way to induce immunity
("vaccinate") without using the current vaccination paradigm of
infection
with a low level antigen - a paradigm which is essentially unchanged
since
the Cowpox/Smallpox observation many years ago.

If we still want to immunize children, adolescents, or adults. The
current
paradigm is cheap and easy, and requires little new science be
developed,
but it is damaging to immidiately damaging to children (in some if not
most
cases), evidenced by the epidemic of autism and ADHD. The current
vaccinations paradigm relies on over-stimualtion of the immune system,
and
possibly creates some of the other "childhood epidemics" we see -
asthma,
allergies, endocrine problems, and diabetes - type 1 and maybe even
type 2,
which is seen in younger and younger children now.

I don't have a real clue what such a new paradigm might be - but I
know that
it will have to come from more direct, but more subtle manipulation of
the
immune system to create antibodies and the B-cells to maintain "immune
memory". It may also possibly involve infection of children with
genetically
"killed" (non-pathogenic) viruses, thus mimicking natural immunity.

But this will require much more research, research that will have to
be
carried out by immunologists. Immunologists could also possibly help
in
explaining the mechanism behind vaccine induced damage, as I think has
already started to be done from a very few papers I've seen.

Where are the immunologists in this war? Aren't there at least a FEW
of them
that have autistic children? To paraphrase the old Army poster "This
war
needs them"

If you are an immunologist, or know one who is concerned, feel free to
contact me to discuss this further, and about possibly setting up a
"Immunologists for Safer Immunizations" movement. I am only a lay-
person in
this, but I know that something must change - and quickly.

~ JIm Witte
jim.wi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 PM
Jim said...
It's ironic that the AAP is bending over backwards (and breaking it's
back
it seems) trying to "reassure" parents that vaccines are *completely*
safe.
They probably fear the parents won't vaccinate their kids *at all*.

Of course, we all know that no drug, including vaccines is completely
safe.
And as Dierdre said in the Imus interview, most parents are *not*
saying "no
vaccinations". What they are saying is that the need to get the toxins
out,
they need to spread them out, they need to reduce the schedule.. (do
we
really need a Rotavirus vaccination? Has Rotavirus such a huge threat
in the
US until the vaccine was developed in the last 2 years? Yes it kills
thousands in the developing world, but here??)

So instead of reassuring parents, the AAP has, by not admitting that
"yes
there is some risk, and we will take your concerns seriously and talk
with
top pediatric immunologists in the country about when it's appropriate
for
vaccination to being, and how how often".. They just put their foot
down and
say that all vaccines are safe.

They may actually create the very situation they (I think) hope to
avoid.

6:34 PM
Alicia said...
It is good to know that I am not the only one that thought that Dr.
Tayloe
sounded incompetent. I liked reading your interpretation, thanks!
I actually had my babies 9 month well baby check today, during which I
asked
my Pediatrician how I can find out more specifics about what exactly
is in
each individual vaccine and he acted like he had never been asked this
before and after thinking for a minute he said he could give me the
pack
inserts. For some reason he didn't have all of them, but he gave me
several.
I thought it was interesting that you posted from them today. I also
asked
him about specifics like them having formaldehyde and aluminum and he
said
he wasn't aware of that. It seems to me that our leaders in childcare
need
to do more research for themselves rather than just listening to what
they
are told.

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