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Re: Idealization

by "Xorra" <zorra2@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 2, 2008 at 05:53 PM

Mary_Gordon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> I think he is using you as a fall back - a place holder. You are
> reliable, you are his security because he knows he can treat you like
> complete crap, and you will still hold on.

You know, after one of Jen's posts, I started thinking about this more.  I

have a friend sort of like Erin's husband.  It's a bit different because 
we're just internet friends and are unlikely to ever meet, much less stay 
together.  Also, I've never described him as my soul mate.

But our relation****p, while neither ***ual nor romantic, is very close,
and 
if my husband asked me to give him up, I'd say no.  That seems ridiculous
on 
the face of it -- give up a marriage to talk on the computer?!!!  Until
you 
remember how bad my marriage has been.  And this guy, even though he is
just 
a friend, gives me something that I'm honestly not sure I ever got from my

husband, which is respect.

So I'm thinking that Erin's husband was not as happy during those 25 years

as she thought.  Why would he say he was if he wasn't?  Well, there are a 
few possibilities.  First of all, if he really does have Aspberger's, he 
might have been playing the role of a doting husband as he understood it. 
Doing and saying the things he was supposed to do and say.  Or perhaps he 
was happy at first, and over time the joy left, and he kept up with the 
words out of habit.  Or perhaps as he got more unhappy, he tried doting on

her more and more in hopes of bringing back the love.  Or perhaps Erin is 
editing, and he did try to tell her how unhappy he was, and she didn't
hear 
it.

I can see how he would feel that Erin didn't believe in him.  That she was

just waiting for him to fail.  Always on him about his meds and not 
believing that he could ever be better, be whole, or succeed.  Even when
he 
lost weight, instead of celebrating, she decided he must be sick.

Now, Erin, I understand why you had to be on him about his meds, and why
you 
were so nervous, wondering when he'd try another suicide or head banging
or 
whatever.  I'm just trying to understand how your husband might be seeing 
it.

So, at a time of deep unhappiness for him, he met a woman who gives him 
something he needs.  Perhaps respect or belief in him.  His co-workers
don't 
think you should be jealous because they've seen that the two of them are 
just buddy buddy.  The therapist thinks  you shouldn't be jealous because 
she understands the nature of their relation****p.  What I'm saying is that

really everything he's said could be the truth.  And that his dependance
on 
her will only lessen when you begin hearing what he really needs from you.

Xorra
 




 44 Posts in Topic:
Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 05:13:18 
Re: Idealization
"AllYou!" <i  2008-07-02 09:44:45 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 08:37:06 
Re: Idealization
"AllYou!" <i  2008-07-02 14:11:46 
Re: Idealization
Doug Freyburger <dfrey  2008-07-02 08:37:09 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 09:00:56 
Re: Idealization
Doug Anderson <ethelth  2008-07-02 09:37:47 
Re: Idealization
Vickie <lilliputianbiz  2008-07-02 09:46:20 
Re: Idealization
"Bill in Co" &l  2008-07-02 11:53:43 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 09:47:58 
Re: Idealization
"Bill in Co" &l  2008-07-02 11:56:43 
Re: Idealization
"Rog'" <rcbl  2008-07-02 15:26:16 
Re: Idealization
Doug Freyburger <dfrey  2008-07-02 09:49:10 
Re: Idealization
Vickie <lilliputianbiz  2008-07-02 11:11:25 
Re: Idealization
"Bill in Co" &l  2008-07-02 12:29:58 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 12:08:46 
Re: Idealization
"AllYou!" <i  2008-07-02 15:41:38 
Re: Idealization
"Bill in Co" &l  2008-07-02 14:23:54 
Re: Idealization
"AllYou!" <i  2008-07-03 06:58:54 
Re: Idealization
Mary_Gordon@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-02 12:37:57 
Re: Idealization
"Xorra" <zor  2008-07-02 17:53:31 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 16:03:54 
Re: Idealization
"Xorra" <zor  2008-07-03 00:55:59 
Re: Idealization
"Bill in Co" &l  2008-07-03 00:09:32 
Re: Idealization
"Xorra" <zor  2008-07-03 07:58:38 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 16:41:28 
Re: Idealization
pennyshiny123@[EMAIL PROT  2008-07-02 17:32:31 
Re: Idealization
pennyshiny123@[EMAIL PROT  2008-07-02 17:39:20 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 18:45:45 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 03:15:36 
Re: Idealization
"AllYou!" <i  2008-07-03 07:04:55 
Re: Idealization
"Xorra" <zor  2008-07-03 08:01:38 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 03:34:53 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 04:36:08 
Re: Idealization
"AllYou!" <i  2008-07-03 07:48:37 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 04:55:21 
Re: Idealization
"AllYou!" <i  2008-07-03 08:15:20 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 05:16:52 
Re: Idealization
"Xorra" <zor  2008-07-03 11:52:58 
Re: Idealization
Vickie <lilliputianbiz  2008-07-03 09:00:37 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 10:58:39 
Re: Idealization
Erin <im906768@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 14:41:19 
Re: Idealization
irises in bloom <boyti  2008-07-10 20:26:54 
Re: Idealization
Erin <squiggle@[EMAIL   2008-07-11 04:19:15 

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