Erin wrote:
> Bill in Co wrote:
>> Erin wrote:
>>> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>>> "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> But we do know that we (as a human race) won't be around all that
much
>>>>> longer (due to the now irreversible, manmade global warming) �
>>>>> �THAT
>>>>> is
>>>>> not beyond human understanding. � �I understand it. � But the
>>>>> planet
>>>>> itself will survive. � And perhaps some plants.
>>>>
>>>> Because there exist photographs of glaciers a century ago
>>>> and last year, and because there are measurements of
>>>> melt water exitting Greenland at many time the rate of
>>>> snow fall on Greenland, it is certain that global warming
>>>> is happening.
>>>>
>>>> What is not certain is the relative size of the human
>>>> contribution to global warming. Any discussion of global
>>>> warming that does not address issues like the Little Ice
>>>> Age, length of interglacial eras in the past, orbit ellipse
>>>> evolution, solar output variation and so on misses any
>>>> natural input to global warming. Since natural inputs tend
>>>> to overwhelm human inputs the question needs to be
>>>> about percentage of human causation not labels of
>>>> "manmade".
>>>>
>>>> The deal with climatic change - It has always happened
>>>> since long before humans existed. It has happened with
>>>> humans on the planet like during the Little Ice Age of the
>>>> 1300s. It causes significant social upheaval and large
>>>> human migrations. It does not cause extinction. In fact,
>>>> since it warms large areas that used to be too cold for
>>>> intensive argiculture it doesn't even necessarily decrease
>>>> the total land under cultivation. Just which land is under
>>>> cultivation. Interesting times but not extincting times.
>>>>
>>>> What this has to do with marriage is indirect at best.
>>>> Marriages go through turbulent times when spouses
>>>> change over time. Some changes are rapid, others slow.
>>>> If a marriage is a metaphor for human society and vice
>>>> versa, let's all be in therapy. Oh wait, posting on-line is
>>>> theraputic ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Everything goes through cycles because of change. I think it
>>> was Hera****us who said, that you cannot step into the same river
>>> twice.
>>>
>>> I can thing of a way of testing whether global warming is actually
>>> man-made--
>>
>> We already KNOW some of it (most of it) IS manmade. There is NO
>> ambiguity
>> there. That much has been established now by the scientists in the
>> field.
>>
>>> as in medicine, for example, you stop all traffic of
>>> cars with the exception of necessities such as ambulances,
>>> fire trucks, delivery of food, etc.; you stop all airplanes and you
>>> stop all fuel emitting factories for five years. If there is a
reversal
>>> of North Pole melting and animal habitat changes, and there
>>> is a return to a more stable climate, you might have grounds
>>> for concluding the cause. You will also have an op****tunity
>>> for designing a new democraphics in which people can live
>>> in a cleaner more peaceful environment.
>>>
>>> Erin
>>
>> People are working on this now as we speak. There is great interest in
>> it!
>> But it's a little bit too late. We can slow it down, however. And
>> that's ALL we can do.
>>
>> It's almost like closing the barn door after the animals have all left.
>> Just a little bit too late, courtesy of mankind's ineptness,
negligence,
>> and
>> base stupidity.
>
> I know what you mean-- it's a pipe dream; denial denial denial;
> and chances are in the West at least, people will end up living
> in their car rather than holding on to their house if need be.
> We may just see a return to nomadic living and civilization
> breaking down into anarchy. That is IF the climate change is
> truly man-made and proliferating.
There is no "IF" there, if you've been keeping up with the reading.
Sure, 20+ years ago, there were quite a few naysayers. Not anymore, not
today. LOTs of scientific data has come in since then.
Fortunately, we're moving in the right direction. (Well, some of us are.
China - not so sure. And the USA still has a LONG ways to go to really
get aboard ****p. But THAT will change with the next election (in about
a
half a year). Too bad it's a bit too little, a bit too late.
> If it's the tilt of the earth or]
> sun-spots or something like that, then i think we can actually
> look forward to innovative adaptations.
>
> Erin
|
