Bill in Co wrote:
> Erin wrote:
> > Doug Freyburger wrote:
> >> "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> But we do know that we (as a human race) won't be around all that
much=
> >>> longer (due to the now irreversible, manmade global warming)
=EF=BF=BD=
=EF=BF=BDTHAT
> >>> is
> >>> not beyond human understanding. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDI understand it.
=
=EF=BF=BD But the
> >>> planet
> >>> itself will survive. =EF=BF=BD And perhaps some plants.
> >>
> >> Because there exist photographs of glaciers a century ago
> >> and last year, and because there are measurements of
> >> melt water exitting Greenland at many time the rate of
> >> snow fall on Greenland, it is certain that global warming
> >> is happening.
> >>
> >> What is not certain is the relative size of the human
> >> contribution to global warming. Any discussion of global
> >> warming that does not address issues like the Little Ice
> >> Age, length of interglacial eras in the past, orbit ellipse
> >> evolution, solar output variation and so on misses any
> >> natural input to global warming. Since natural inputs tend
> >> to overwhelm human inputs the question needs to be
> >> about percentage of human causation not labels of
> >> "manmade".
> >>
> >> The deal with climatic change - It has always happened
> >> since long before humans existed. It has happened with
> >> humans on the planet like during the Little Ice Age of the
> >> 1300s. It causes significant social upheaval and large
> >> human migrations. It does not cause extinction. In fact,
> >> since it warms large areas that used to be too cold for
> >> intensive argiculture it doesn't even necessarily decrease
> >> the total land under cultivation. Just which land is under
> >> cultivation. Interesting times but not extincting times.
> >>
> >> What this has to do with marriage is indirect at best.
> >> Marriages go through turbulent times when spouses
> >> change over time. Some changes are rapid, others slow.
> >> If a marriage is a metaphor for human society and vice
> >> versa, let's all be in therapy. Oh wait, posting on-line is
> >> theraputic ...
> >
> >
> > Everything goes through cycles because of change. I think it
> > was Hera****us who said, that you cannot step into the same river
> > twice.
> >
> > I can thing of a way of testing whether global warming is actually
> > man-made--
>
> We already KNOW some of it (most of it) IS manmade. There is NO
ambiguit=
y
> there. That much has been established now by the scientists in the
field.=
>
> > as in medicine, for example, you stop all traffic of
> > cars with the exception of necessities such as ambulances,
> > fire trucks, delivery of food, etc.; you stop all airplanes and you
> > stop all fuel emitting factories for five years. If there is a
reversal=
> > of North Pole melting and animal habitat changes, and there
> > is a return to a more stable climate, you might have grounds
> > for concluding the cause. You will also have an op****tunity
> > for designing a new democraphics in which people can live
> > in a cleaner more peaceful environment.
> >
> > Erin
>
> People are working on this now as we speak. There is great interest in
it=
!
> But it's a little bit too late. We can slow it down, however. And
> that's ALL we can do.
>
> It's almost like closing the barn door after the animals have all left.
> Just a little bit too late, courtesy of mankind's ineptness, negligence,
a=
nd
> base stupidity.
I know what you mean-- it's a pipe dream; denial denial denial;
and chances are in the West at least, people will end up living
in their car rather than holding on to their house if need be.
We may just see a return to nomadic living and civilization
breaking down into anarchy. That is IF the climate change is
truly man-made and proliferating. If it's the tilt of the earth or]
sun-spots or something like that, then i think we can actually
look forward to innovative adaptations.
Erin
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