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Ping Chardonney9

by "Waterspider" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 12, 2008 at 01:45 PM

After reading the numerous posts to you and your responses in the For The 
Newbies thread, I've come to some conclusions...

1. You do not want to undergo a biopsy to determine the extent of your
liver 
damage.
2. You do not want to even attempt peg-interferon/ribavirin treatment for 
your hepatitis c.
3. You believe that colloidal silver and other "alternative treatments" 
will, if not erradicate the hepatitis c virus, make you healthy.
4. You do not believe that you are critically ill.

You blame your doctors for not giving you sufficient information, but I 
suspect they may have simply given up trying to educate you. You have been

defensive and arguementive with people here who have attempted to correct 
your wrong assumptions and misinformation, along with trying to educate
you 
about hepatitis c. If you continue to appear so close-minded and
pig-headed, 
they'll give up on you too.

You told us that you are depressed, and that you are self-medicating with 
St. John's wort, but you have decided that you're not a good candidate for

treatment because you're depressed. I have to wonder what other types of 
self-medicating you do (and sincerely hope it doesn't include the odd
glass 
of chardonnay, but nothing would surprise me at this point). Anyway,
here's 
something to think about: if the St. John's wort is working for your 
depression, then you shouldn't worry about undertaking treatment with 
depression. Otherwise, you must admit that it's not working, and we're
back 
to stop wasting your money on the stuff. Talk to your doctor about 
depression. Get a referral to Mental Health or get a prescription for a 
low-dose antidepressant. Or both. Depression is a symptom of liver
disease, 
hepatitis c in particular. Curing hepatitis c will go a long way in
dealing 
with your depression (and your fatigue, which is also a symptom). Another 
symptom of more advanced liver disease is mental confusion, and I have to 
say that your posts would lead at least a few people to wonder about your 
mental state.

You say that you know people who have cured their hepatitis c with 
alternative treatments. I call bull**** on this one. Maybe you've talked
to 
people who tell you that a friend of a friend cured their hep c with 
colloidal silver or milkthistle or whatever, but that's simply not true. 
Maybe you talked to someone directly who told you that they cured their
hep 
c with an alternative treatment. Guess what? They didn't. Ask to see the 
most recent results of their viral load test, and you'll hear that their 
liver function tests are within normal range. Liver function tests may or 
MAY NOT relate to hepatitis c viral load. Don't even bother reading 
testimonials on cheesy websites trying to peddle a book or a dose of 
colloidal silver. You ask us to show evidence that colloidal silver cannot

cure hepatitis c, but it's impossible to prove a negative. However, there
is 
not one (I repeat, not even one) legitimate, do***ented case of hepatitis
c 
being cured by colloidal siver or any other alternative treatment. Not
one. 
Ever.

I read the "study" for which you provided a link. This is not a legitimate

study, it is a private experiment on only three patients. Nowhere in the 
text did the good doctor claim to cure hepatitis c, he only said his 
patients felt better, looked better and lowered their liver function test 
results. None of this relates to extent of liver damage. Remember, most 
people with hep c do not show or feel any symptoms until the disease has 
progressed to end stage, transplant time, and a liver transplant will not 
cure hepatitis c.

The "information" in this "study" is outdated at best and by today's 
knowledge about the disease, it's inaccurate. Here's a quote from the 
article: "There are no remarkably effective treatments for chronic
hepatitis 
C in general use. Interferon and antivirals have less than a 30% response 
rate."  WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! When this was written, it was debatable but 
today it's incorrect. When this was written, pegylated interferon wasn't 
even to the clinical trial stage, but today it's the standard and
successful 
treatment rates have roughly doubled. As well, the side-effects from the 
"new" pegylated-interferon with ribavirin treatment are substantially less

and the peg-ifn is injected weekly instead of every three days. Treatment
is 
weight-based today, which also contributes to the higher success rate. 
You're genotype 2, which is the easiest to cure (along with geno 3). 
Genotypes 2 and 3 undergo treatment for 26 weeks, rather than the 52 weeks

that Geno 1 (the most common type) undergoes.

Unlike your doctors and a few people here, I haven't given up on you yet.
I 
think that, deep down, you really do want to get rid of this virus that's 
destroying your liver 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and that you'd
like 
to go back to living a healthy, happy life (which you probably can't even 
remember at this point). I'm here to tell you that you can do it, that you

should do it, and that you're not only killing yourself but ruining the 
quality of what life you have left by playing around with alternatives.

Go back to your doctor. Ask for antidepressants and ask for peg/ifn 
treatment. If you can't get it without the biopsy, great! And do some good

research to find out what you should be including and avoiding in your
diet, 
and follow it religiously.

You've either had your head up in the clouds, or in the sand like an 
ostrich, or stuck up your arse like an idiot. Time to move on and start 
looking after yourself. You've only got one life, honey, might as well
make 
it as good as you can. Good luck.

Waterspider
 




 19 Posts in Topic:
Ping Chardonney9
"Waterspider" &  2008-07-12 13:45:17 
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Dwight <Dwight@[EMAIL   2008-07-12 16:49:25 
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chardonney9 <chardonne  2008-07-12 17:52:19 
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"Waterspider" &  2008-07-12 17:02:52 
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"Sara" <puff  2008-07-12 22:46:26 
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Paul <dontspamme@[EMAI  2008-07-13 09:17:40 
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chardonney9 <chardonne  2008-07-12 19:33:03 
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"Cactus Jammies"  2008-07-13 04:08:41 
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dBo <frizzy526@[EMAIL   2008-07-12 18:52:46 
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TX-012 <withbacon@[EMA  2008-07-12 19:14:00 
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"Sara" <puff  2008-07-12 23:46:05 
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"Sara" <puff  2008-07-12 22:21:53 
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"Waterspider" &  2008-07-12 20:07:48 
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"Sara" <puff  2008-07-13 00:07:15 
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"Waterspider" &  2008-07-12 23:20:17 
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Paul <dontspamme@[EMAI  2008-07-13 09:06:45 
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dog@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 01:35:24 
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chardonney9 <chardonne  2008-07-14 08:34:04 
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metspitzer <kilowatt@[  2008-07-14 17:14:31 

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