On Oct 24, 8:08=A0am, "Dragon's Girl" <bettywir...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Oct 23, 12:09=A0pm, Greegor <Greego...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > G > Betty, Do you really think that a kid
> > G > who is 10th percentile (5% of population)
> > G > would not set off huge alarm bells for
> > G > a doctor?
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> > BW > My bad. =A0I thought he said four.
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> > G > Betty, In another thread you
> > G > accused me a priori of MOCKING you!
> > G >
> > G > In this thread I asked a direct,
> > G > fair and reasonable question.
> > G >
> > G > Apparently you don't want to answer it
> > G > so you join in with Dan's juvenile crap.
> > G >
> > G > You MOCK yourself.
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> > G > Betty, Do you really think that a kid
> > G > who is 10th percentile (5% of population)
> > G > would not set off huge alarm bells for
> > G > a doctor?
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> > G > Can't just answer a simple question directly?
> > G > If you don't KNOW, just admit you don't.
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> > BW > I know the answer very well Greg.
> > BW > I just can't figure out why you insist
> > BW > on asking irrelevant questions.
> > BW > The article said that the girl had
> > BW > not been to the doctor in years.
> > BW > It would be impossible for those
> > BW > 'alarms' to be set off by someone
> > BW > that a doctor hasn't seen.
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> > G > When the child was to the doctor years
> > G > before, the doctor THEN should have
> > G > insisted on CLOSE SUPERVISION.
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> > G > It doesn't take a SERIES of low weight
> > G > or a trend, if the kid is THAT LOW!
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> > BW > Do you think it was the doctor's job
> > BW > to make sure the parents brought
> > BW > the girl to subsequent check ups?
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> > What do the guidelines of the AMA and
> > pediatric association say on this?
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> > Doctors ADMIT kids to hospitals for far smaller
> > problems than this.
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> > Doctors also re****t to CPS for smaller problems than this.
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> > I don't like the NAZI like world we've made with the
> > relation****p between doctor and patient with
> > CPS quietly in the mix. =A0I'm just pointing it out.
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> > We've got doctors calling CPS on their patients
> > all the time, there have even been stories of how
> > doctors have used re****ting to CPS in an attempt
> > to prevent parents from getting a second opinion.
> > In a few cases the second opinion proved that the
> > first (re****ting) doctor was horribly WRONG in their
> > determination.
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> > Hell, One of the biggest Family Rights advocates
> > even experiencede an ER NURSE who used CPS
> > at the drop of a hat in an attempt to back up or
> > enlarge the nurses aggrandized authority. =A0The
> > nurse phoned in a rediculously false re****t. =A0The
> > re****t included completely fictional elements
> > borrowed from famous national CPS cases, like
> > that the mother was a preacher traveling in a
> > BUS with her kids. =A0(Not a preacher, no bus.)
> > CPS (Missouri DFS) sent a newbie caseworker.
> > =A0When the caseworke told her superiors who
> > the mother was, they asked the caseworker
> > to apologize and LEAVE. =A0The child involved
> > lives with lifelong cerebral injuries as the result
> > of a foster care experience. =A0The mother was
> > doing exactly as the doctor directed,
> > was told to go to the ER and have him paged
> > immediately, but the ER nurse saw this as some
> > sort of challenge to her AUTHORITY so she called
> > CPS before she paged the doctor.
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> > Remember than in many states mandatory
> > re****ters have to re****t situations which MIGHT
> > possibly be abuse, or face legal liabilities.
> > There is a big difference between re****ting
> > every damned thing that MIGHT POSSIBLY
> > be abuse (almost everything!) as opposed
> > to re****ting only where they reasonably believe
> > there is actual child abuse.
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> > Missouri law is a bit stricter about this than most
> > states (thanks to the Mom above) but you
> > know very well that the doctors MALPRACTICE
> > insurer would urge them to re****t such a case
> > unless there is some really good explanation!
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> > I don't LIKE how it is, I'm just telling it.
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> I'm not real sure what your desire is here, Greg?
> Do you want every parent who has a child with medical conditions to be
> the target of DFS interaction, or no?
> I must admit, I am no doctor, but I know that there are signs, and
> without those signs, how could you expect a physician to suspect
> abuse?
> A child who is born premature, low birth weight, ill after birth,
> suffering some medical conditions, multiple birth, etc would
> APPROPRIATELY be in the tenth percentile. =A0Why that would set off
> alarms to their physician is beyond me. =A0Why you think it should is
> also beyond me.
> A child who is born healthy, has no medical conditions, etc being in
> the tenth percentile would raise HUGE red flags, and still, sans the
> tell tale conditions of abuse and neglect, would not be considered
> abuse or neglect.
> Not real sure, by your posts, what it is that you would like for the
> state, or doctors to do in this case, as there are many unknown
> factors.
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> > BW > People move, lose their health care, find
> > BW > other doctors, etc...lots of stuff happens.
> > BW >=A0It's not the medical provider who is
> > BW > responsible for following up with the
> > BW > patient, it's the patient, or the patient's
> > BW > parents, who are responsible for follow up.
> > BW > So, now, you tell me...who's to blame?
> > BW >=A0The doctor who may very well have told
> > BW > the parents that the child was in need
> > BW > of medical care to boost her weight and
> > BW > monitor her progress, or the parents who
> > BW > did not provide that care to her, and
> > BW > abused her? =A0I don't understand why
> > BW > you insist on placing blame where it
> > BW > does not belong.
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> I notice you didn't answer the above.
Betty, Dan just posted a story that shows that CPS
was involved 5 years ago (re****t by teacher) so
it looks like CPS were involved and may even
have prompted that doctor visit.
There are hints that this family is well off.
Dan started this off sarcastically blaming CPS
but as it turns out, CPS WAS involved 5 years
ago and apparently didn't do any follow up.
In essence, this kid starved almost to
death over the last 5 years right under
the watching eyes of CPS.
That's QUITE a fact they left out of the first
media story, wouldn't you say, Betty?
Why would they leave out that CPS has
been involved with this family for YEARS,
and was aware of the situation?
What will we find out next?
Were they foster/adopters too?
Why do you suppose Dan didn't post the follow up
story in this thread, instead opting to create
a new one?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sup****t.child-protective-services/browse=
_frm/thread/23f9548b34d208b6/6a4f2407e4ea2493?hl=3Den#6a4f2407e4ea2493
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