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Re: vitamin D3 resistance

by Kofi <kofi@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Oct 1, 2008 at 10:38 PM

> Question: do you suppose the UV is more
> effective because you get a larger dose
> of vitamin D by way synthesis than the
> doses you've chosen to take? Or could
> it be the UV has other interactions
> with your body? I am just brain storming.

Aye, there's the rub.

I'm taking 6000IU orally and getting a 125,000IU bolus depot shot in 
muscle every month.  That adds up to around 10,000IU daily.  When I 
first started the oral dose at 10,000IU, I felt great for a few days and 
then the effects began to fade.  I had a lot of energy, my allergies and 
swelling were much improved - basically all the symptoms you'd expect 
with low D3 faded away and I felt normal again.  I can't get that from 
an oral dose any longer but when I'm exposed to at least an hour of 
daylight, the vitamin D3-associated symptoms fade again.  It's 
miraculous.

Given that an oral dose produced a beneficial response the first few 
times I tried it, I don't think I'm having problems with trans****t and 
absorption - at least not initially.  Taking the extra D3 may have set 
something into motion, though, that then inhibited uptake or 
metabolization.  I suspect a pathogen of some sort gumming up the works 
but it might be a metabolic break.  I'm at a loss here.  I don't see how 
metabolism should matter since I'm consuming the final product (D3) and 
not a precursor. 

My physician said something about carnitine and D3 sharing a trans****ter 
but I've been unable to find anything really on it.  He said the paper 
was recent but none of my searches have turned up anything.  I mentioned 
carnitine trans****ters OCTN2 and Atb0+ to him - which I have speculated 
might be downregulated on purpose in a CMV infection - but my doctor 
said it wasn't those two.  He goes to a lot of conferences so he might 
have been exposed to something outside the electronic record available 
to me.  Has anybody got an idea about this?  Loss of a putative vitamin 
D3 trans****ter - perhaps through simple allergic inflammation especially 
if it's linked to butyrate uptake - but it would not explain the failure 
of the depot shots (would it?).

Despite taking D3 in all of these forms for over year, I'm as mildly 
deficient in it now (25.7 ng/mL) as I was when I started supplementation.

I've had something similar happen with butyrate.  It produced a lot of 
initial benefits and then it slid back to a plateau.  I think I've 
established a clear connection with herpesvirus replication on that one.  
My suspicion is that something similar's taking place with vitamin D3 
but my evidence of a connection is much thinner.  All I've got is this 
corrupt IL-10 the virus pumps out.  It's suggestive, but hardly 
conclusive.  As with most aspects of my condition, my thinking appears 
to be a few years ahead of the current state of medical research.  I 
guess I'm just going to focus on killing the viruses and then check my 
blood levels again to see if they normalize.

> : Eur J Immunol. 2008 Aug;38(8):2210-8.
> 
> 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D(3) promotes IL-10 production in human B cells.
> 
> Heine G, Niesner U, Chang HD, Steinmeyer A, Zügel U, Zuberbier T,
> Radbruch A,
> Worm M.
> 
> Allergy-Center-Charité, CCM, Department of Dermatology and Allergy,
> Charité -
> Universitätsmedizin Berlin, Berlin, Germany.
> 
> 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D(3) (calcitriol) regulates immune responses,
> e.g., inhibits expression of IgE by B cells and enhances expression of
> IL-10 by
> dendritic cells and T cells. We re****t here that activation of human B
> cells by B cell receptor, CD40 and IL-4 signals induces expression of
> the gene for
> 25-hydroxyvitamin-D3-1alpha-hydroxylase (CYP1alpha). Accordingly,
> these B cells generate and secrete significant amounts of calcitriol.
> In activated B cells calcitriol induces expression of the genes Cyp24,
> encoding a vitamin D hydroxylase, and Trpv6, encoding a calcium
> selective channel protein. Calcitriol enhances IL-10 expression of
> activated B cells more than threefold, both by recruiting the vitamin
> D receptor to the promoter of Il-10, and to lesser extent by
> modulation of calcium-dependent signaling. The molecular link in
> activated B
> cells between vitamin D signaling, expression of IgE and IL-10, and
> their ability to produce calcitriol from its precursor, suggest that
> pro-vitamin D
> (25-hydroxyvitamin D(3)) can be used as a modulator of allergic immune
> responses.
> 
> 
> PMID: 18651709 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Thanks for all the helpful research, people.
 




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Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune risk
Kofi <kofi@[EMAIL PROT  2008-09-30 01:31:11 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
"Robert Miles"   2008-09-30 03:04:02 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Kofi <kofi@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-01 01:53:06 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
"Robert Miles"   2008-10-01 07:37:03 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
"Robert Miles"   2008-10-01 09:48:31 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
jackson.alonso@[EMAIL PRO  2008-10-01 07:58:30 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Kofi <kofi@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-02 00:09:25 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
katy <katysails@[EMAIL  2008-10-02 12:42:51 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Kofi <kofi@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-02 15:44:20 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
katy <katysails@[EMAIL  2008-10-02 17:33:38 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Kofi <kofi@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-02 18:23:21 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Kofi <kofi@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-02 18:24:08 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
katy <katysails@[EMAIL  2008-10-02 23:05:11 
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katy <katysails@[EMAIL  2008-10-04 00:02:10 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
"Robert Miles"   2008-10-02 14:42:29 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
"trigonometry1972@[E  2008-10-01 08:15:00 
Re: vitamin D3 resistance
Kofi <kofi@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-01 22:38:14 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
einfachzumerken@[EMAIL PR  2008-10-02 01:42:09 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Kofi <kofi@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-02 15:18:55 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
einfachzumerken@[EMAIL PR  2008-10-02 11:16:53 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Taka <taka0038@[EMAIL   2008-10-02 20:34:16 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Kofi <kofi@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-03 20:22:37 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Rufus <not@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-04 02:24:16 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Kofi <kofi@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-04 15:52:15 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Rufus <not@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-04 21:17:46 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Kofi <kofi@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-04 23:26:19 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
Rufus <not@[EMAIL PROT  2008-10-05 06:03:56 
Re: Herpesviruses secrete phony IL-10; might cause autoimmune ri
"Vanny" <Van  2008-10-04 10:15:54 

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