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Re: am I crazy?

by "Vanny" <Vannyss2003@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 30, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Hang on in there. I think that most of us here have been in the position 
that you find yourself in. Being confronted with doctors who play down a 
patient's symptoms and indicate that most of it is in the patient's head
is 
the usual approach for those doctors that have reached the limits of their

competence(s).

I suggest that you start writing a symptoms' diary. 
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Symptoms+diary&meta=
 It is very 
cathartic and will help you hang on to your sanity. If you let rip, then
it 
perhaps wouldn't be a good idea to show it to your docs, but you can 
paraphrase it and/or read out sections out to the doctor - not the parts 
where you think about doing anything extremely violent to them.

You can also monitor your symptoms using the CDAI 
http://www.ibdjohn.com/cdai/
  The minimum you should record is here: 
http://www.remicade.com/remicade/assets/REM_crohnsdiary.pdf
 To describe 
bowel movements use the Bristol Stool Scale 
http://www.familydoctor.co.uk/htdocs/BOWELS/BOWELS_specimen.html

Doctors like numbers and paper far better than they like patients - so get

some numbers down on paper. This will help to convince them to take you 
seriously. I can also suggest that you put together a Health CV and write 
down your symptoms/operations/out-patient procedures in chronological
order 
in a table with dates. Include all the information they normally ask you
on 
admission - name, address, name and contact details of next of kin, health

insurance number, diagnoses, current symptoms, height, weight, blood
group, 
family medical history, allergies/intolerances, etc., above.

The statistics on fistulas are approximately 1% of the general population 
(the majority women after childbirth), some 5% of UC patients and upwards
of 
30-50% Crohn's disease patients have fistulas . 
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=fistulas&meta=

Crohn's disease is particularly difficult to diagnose and it can take 
several years depending on the location of the disease and the 
interest/competence of the doctors. UC is far easier to diagnose because
the 
colon is easily accessible.
Crohn's hits anywhere between the mouth and the anus and starts in the 
submucosa and works its way into the mucosa and/or the muscle outer layers

of the intestine. The Crohn's prodrome is the time prior to diagnosis 
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Crohn%27s+prodrome+colitis&meta=
This
is 
the time where the patient is most likely to think that he/she is going 
bonkers. However, this may also happen to Crohn's patients after the 
diagnosis depending again on the competence of the doctors.

We have had patients here re****t on Crohn's of the tonsils, oesophagus, 
duodenum, jejunem, etc., and one lady who had already been diagnosed was 
very ill and felt as though she was in a flare, but the docs. could not
find 
any sign of Crohn's. However, she had a gynaecological procedure carried
out 
and in the course of the laparoscopy the gynae surgeon found Crohn's on
the 
outside of the intestine. Hence, the pathology of internal biopsies was 
coming back negative.

I am fairly sure that I have been ill with smouldering Crohn's since I was

in kindergarten. This form of Crohn's flies under the Crohn's radar with 
blood tests negative. Extraintestinal symptoms can be the only symptoms 
present, which do not alert the docs. to an intestinal problem. I
frequently 
suffered from exhaustion as a child and was very belly focused. I had very

low blood pressure (kept on collapsing), had intermittent problems with my

eyes (uveitis?), and had joint problems some 10-20 years prior to the 
diagnosis, whereupon I had blood and mucus pouring out of nearly every 
orifice and realised that I was going to lose my colon straight away. I
had 
spent years going from doc to doc and in the end, like yourself, felt that
I 
was going around the bend because no doctor would take me seriously. One 
doctor told me I should do more s****t - at the time I was doing about 6 
hours s****t each week including scuba diving, swimming, cycling, tennis
and 
volley ball and I was on my knees with exhaustion. I subscribe to the
school 
that says s****t is good for you, but it wasn't working for me. After I
told 
her that she wrote me a prescription for the pill, which I threw in the
bin 
when I got home. It was extremely frustrating and I ended up with bad 
depression - probably partly due to malnutrition as the diarrhoea got
worse 
and worse.

I discussed my current situation (ileum closing most likely at anastomosis

site) with my surgeon the week before last. I don't want a Barium meal 
because I have had two - 2002 and 2005 - both of which came up negative
for 
Crohn's damage/activity. When they opened me up in 2005 I had severe
Crohn's 
damage - conglomerate tumour of the ileum and my intestines were glued 
together with adhesions, which caused me pain on eating and walking. The 
surgeon said that these tests have a 30-40% failure rate for the detection

of [Crohn's] intestinal damage/inflammation. This is very frustrating for 
the patient who ends up thinking that the doctors don't believe him/her 
because the doctors don't understand that these tests are not infallable.

I don't know what to suggest except perhaps packing your stuff together, 
collating all medical re****ts brown bagging your meds., and getting
yourself 
a second or third opinion. What is clear is that you need treatment for
your 
current symptoms. Fistulas are not to be taken lightly. I had an 
enterovaginal fistula in 2005 and that was no fun, although I was one of
the 
lucky ones and it healed up on a liquid diet (Fresubin - similar to
Fortisip 
and Ensure) and Enterocort (aka Budesonide) and Ciprofloxacin.
www.drugs.com 
www.rxlist.com

I read recently about fistulas in rape victims in Uganda. 
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=fistulas+Uganda+rape&meta=
These girls

had gone through such horrendous abuse that they have been physically 
damaged.

Vanny




"janetlynnperez" <princessajlp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:72160852dc196429371128ea0c627af3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> How do I know if I am suffering from Hypocondrias? There is so much 
> crap(no
> pun) One doctor says I have CD, the other says you dont? WTF...OMG, I
just
> want to freaking scream...my stomach hurts, my bones hurt, I have the
> cancur sore, fistulas, so why is it so hard to diagnose what the heck is
> wrong with me? I really wonder if I ve lost my damn marbles, i could be
> feeling really ill. Even the scans show suggestions of ibd? but the
> pathology is what always comes back negative...so anybody have any
> suggestions, I dont mind accepting crazy? I dont know how long it takes
to
> come up with a freakin diagnosis..4 yrs on and off and still no answers?
I
> dont get it? Then I have this dude on my buddy list who has crohns
disease
> and he was like its so easy to diagnose ibd, so obviously you dont have 
> it,
> frankly you ask me its all in your head? so is he right? maybe someone
put
> a spell on me? sorry you guys I am rambling? Hope all is well, and
> everyone is feeling healthy and happy!
>
> xoxoxo
> J
>
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 8 Posts in Topic:
am I crazy?
"janetlynnperez"  2008-06-29 17:52:29 
Re: am I crazy?
"anon" <shop  2008-06-30 00:44:43 
Re: am I crazy?
"Vanny" <Van  2008-06-30 11:07:50 
Re: am I crazy?
"anon" <shop  2008-06-30 14:28:27 
Re: am I crazy?
herutmost <necurrie2@[  2008-07-01 06:05:24 
Re: am I crazy?
Zim <bzimmerman22@[EMA  2008-07-01 06:47:19 
Re: am I crazy?
"anon" <shop  2008-07-01 13:22:57 
Re: am I crazy?
"janetlynnperez"  2008-07-01 17:18:09 

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