Philip Peters--
You are a liar. You have vowed three times now to stop making your
ever-irrelevant posts on this topic, and three times you have broken your
vow.
There is nothing in your post below that adds anything to this discussion
but your patented personal nastiness and hostility. The very first
sentence
of your very first post in this thread was as follows: "Ah, the *Anti
Benzo
Squad* is on the war path again." That is purely nasty, hostile ad hominem
garbage. And your posts have degenerated from there, including your
inconsiderate piling on of a mountain of tendentious studies, most of them
funded by big drug companies who have a vested interest in promoting these
drugs.
And now what is the essence of your post? To advance the discussion with
rational argument and facts? No . . . it is to command me to shut up
because
you obviously cannot refute my points with logic or facts. This
totalitarian
impulse is of a piece with your chronic ad hominem nastiness and personal
hostility and your indifference to the suffering of the countless
thousands
opeople who have fared badly with these drugs--unto complete dysfunction
and
ruined lives.
You, sir, on all these counts are an ethical atrocity and disgrace.
"Philip Peters" <philip@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:48567831$0$14344$e4fe514c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> anon schreef:
>> Oh, please--have you seen the stream of abuse emanating from "Inky"
>> heretofore? The guy is a malicious nutcase
>
>
>
> Er...um....just between you and me but Inky is *female* and from The
> Mighty Netherlands just like me.
>
>
>
> --but his abusiveness never moved
>> you to comment for a moment. You and your seventh-grade wolfpack
>> mentality care not a whit for who is trying to be compassionate and
>> helpful or not--you just stick up for your "gang' members, no matter
how
>> rude and ethically atrocious they are.
>
>
> You are so *angry* all the time, right from the very beginning. It is
> clear that there are different points of view about benzos (and other
> meds). People who have been using them succesfully for a short while or
> for decades don't take very kindly to someone who comes barging in
almost
> forbidding them to take the meds which gave them their lives back.
You'll
> have to accept that there are many people like that who also feel it
would
> be a bad thing if newbies would be scared off of potentially life saving
> medication.
> You have posted wikipedia's links, I have posted lots of relevant
material
> you didn't even take the trouble to read and in the meantime you go on
> like a bulldozer tra****ng everybody who happens not to agree with you
and
> acting like you possess the One and Only Truth which, of course, is not
> the case.
> As I said earlier: let's agree to disagree now that the literature has
> been presented and let everybody make up their own minds and let's stop
> this useless bickering.
>
>
> Consider--this "Inky" has been issuing
>> completely irrational and irresponsible apologetics for a potentially
>> life-damaging drug . . . based on what? Not a single do***ent of
>> scientific evidence or a single study--just his own anecdotal
>> experiences.
>
>
> *Her*. I posted that literature and you didn't even bother to read it
> arguing that it was too much (!). In addition anecdotal information can
> teach us a lot if it is judged correctly. I find the opinion of a few
> hundred *hands-on* experts I have talked to in the coure of the years as
> im****tant as studies which often take place under "artificial"
> cir***stances and furthermore can be flawed in many ways. My experience
> with this is completely different from yours and I maintain that when a
> benzo is properly prescribed based upon a sound diagnosis of an anxiety
> disorder and used responsibly the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.
>
>
> Yet he
>> ignores the reams of do***entation I provided from other people who
have
>> been so damaged by these drugs
>
>
>
> You mean anecdotal information by others. Why is the anecdotal
information
> you provide such an im****tant argument and if Inky or I provide some
it's
> not admissable as evidence? That's a very biased way of dealing with the
> matter. It shows that the only thing you want is to ram your "truth"
down
> our throats. I myself don't care but I can imagine that this is a
nnpying
> to other people and therefore counterproductive.
>
>
>
> and from the voluminous scientific studies
>> do***enting their very real risks.
>
>
> And you never read mine or dismissed it for idiotic reasons.
>
>
> Where is Inky's compassion--and
>> yours--for the people who might be misled into popping benzos like
candy
>> on Inky's reckless advice? Where's your concern for the havoc that
might
>> be wrought in their lives? There is none--because for you this is not
>> about ethics, reason, science, or compassion--it's about the
>> seventh-grade game of sticking up for your buddy not matter what the
>> risks to other people.
>
>
> Somehow we never got to meet those people in the course of, say, fifteen
> years on the internet except from a subcultural sect emerging from the
UK
> and trying to spread the word internationally. Our very dear friend Jon
> Guite who was a regular here was sent to a premature death by the NHS
when
> benzos were withheld and he took to self-medicating with alcohol. Let's
> say that there at least two sides to every story.
>
>
> How
>> pathetic.
>
>
> Yes, you are indeed. You are proselytizing from a biased point of view
> and, apparently, with little or no knowledge about responsbile and
> successful benzo use in clinical practice.
> I've been on benzos for forty years - and have succesfully tapered off
> when I felt like it - and I'm a happy camper with whose cognitive
> capabilities nothing is wrong.
>
> Please stop arguing with everybody here, it's not helping your case.
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> "nanny" <gloria006@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:48556c17$0$4071$4c368faf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> This is very poor sup****t of a "comrade" in pain. No wonder you want
to
>>> remain "anon". There is a place for scientific do***entation, and a
>>> time for sharing years of experience. I prefer the latter myself.
>>> Nanny
>>> "anon" <shopathonic@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:SIKdnduaVZoJ18jVnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Poor Inky--
>>>> Your posts are 100-percent devoid of (a) scientific do***entation
>>>> (being confined to your own perosnal experience, which has no
universal
>>>> significance) and (b) logic--just because tobacco is more lethal than
>>>> benzos does not mean benzos are not dangerous and potentially
>>>> destructive. That's like saying that because Bib Macs contain no
>>>> hydrogenated oils, they are better for you than Dunkin Donuts.
>>>> Fine--does that mean that it would be just dandy for people for have
>>>> Big Macs three times a day?
>>>> I'm sorry that life has brought you to this point--not so much
that
>>>> you can't functino without a tranquilizer, but that you can't think
or
>>>> write with the logic or clarity expected of a fifth-grader.
>>>> The scientific evidence I have presented in this thread is
profuse.
>>>> It ovewhelms your feeble whining.
>>>>
>>>> "Inky" <InkyNL@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>
news:235331a2-9e99-4b4f-854e-123146284595@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> On 15 jun, 01:07, "anon" <shopatho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> why don't you consult a competent
>>>>>> psychiatrist and see about trying to wean yourself from this
>>>>>> mind-rotting
>>>>>> drug?
>>>>> From 5 - 6 panic attacks a day to virtually none, I'd say my
>>>>> psychiatrist is _very_ competent. Now, I shall let
alt.sup****t.crohns-
>>>>> colitis be, because this discussion does not belong there. However,
>>>>> the other drug, I asked you about (and you did not answer) does
belong
>>>>> there, since tobacco products are the #1 cause of GERD. You see,
there
>>>>> is a lot more to worry about in this world than someone's medication
>>>>> issues, wich you don't seem to approve of. Sadly for you, it is not
>>>>> your call to make. I trust my docters and my own experience over
your
>>>>> rantings. Over the past 10 years, I've been off benzos several times
>>>>> with no problems at all.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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