anon schreef:
> Oh, please--have you seen the stream of abuse emanating from "Inky"
> heretofore? The guy is a malicious nutcase
Er...um....just between you and me but Inky is *female* and from The
Mighty Netherlands just like me.
--but his abusiveness never moved
> you to comment for a moment. You and your seventh-grade wolfpack
mentality
> care not a whit for who is trying to be compassionate and helpful or
> not--you just stick up for your "gang' members, no matter how rude and
> ethically atrocious they are.
You are so *angry* all the time, right from the very beginning. It is
clear that there are different points of view about benzos (and other
meds). People who have been using them succesfully for a short while or
for decades don't take very kindly to someone who comes barging in
almost forbidding them to take the meds which gave them their lives
back. You'll have to accept that there are many people like that who
also feel it would be a bad thing if newbies would be scared off of
potentially life saving medication.
You have posted wikipedia's links, I have posted lots of relevant
material you didn't even take the trouble to read and in the meantime
you go on like a bulldozer tra****ng everybody who happens not to agree
with you and acting like you possess the One and Only Truth which, of
course, is not the case.
As I said earlier: let's agree to disagree now that the literature has
been presented and let everybody make up their own minds and let's stop
this useless bickering.
Consider--this "Inky" has been issuing
> completely irrational and irresponsible apologetics for a potentially
> life-damaging drug . . . based on what? Not a single do***ent of
scientific
> evidence or a single study--just his own anecdotal experiences.
*Her*. I posted that literature and you didn't even bother to read it
arguing that it was too much (!). In addition anecdotal information can
teach us a lot if it is judged correctly. I find the opinion of a few
hundred *hands-on* experts I have talked to in the coure of the years as
im****tant as studies which often take place under "artificial"
cir***stances and furthermore can be flawed in many ways. My experience
with this is completely different from yours and I maintain that when a
benzo is properly prescribed based upon a sound diagnosis of an anxiety
disorder and used responsibly the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.
Yet he
> ignores the reams of do***entation I provided from other people who have
> been so damaged by these drugs
You mean anecdotal information by others. Why is the anecdotal
information you provide such an im****tant argument and if Inky or I
provide some it's not admissable as evidence? That's a very biased way
of dealing with the matter. It shows that the only thing you want is to
ram your "truth" down our throats. I myself don't care but I can imagine
that this is a nnpying to other people and therefore counterproductive.
and from the voluminous scientific studies
> do***enting their very real risks.
And you never read mine or dismissed it for idiotic reasons.
Where is Inky's compassion--and
> yours--for the people who might be misled into popping benzos like candy
on
> Inky's reckless advice? Where's your concern for the havoc that might be
> wrought in their lives? There is none--because for you this is not about
> ethics, reason, science, or compassion--it's about the seventh-grade
game of
> sticking up for your buddy not matter what the risks to other people.
Somehow we never got to meet those people in the course of, say, fifteen
years on the internet except from a subcultural sect emerging from the
UK and trying to spread the word internationally. Our very dear friend
Jon Guite who was a regular here was sent to a premature death by the
NHS when benzos were withheld and he took to self-medicating with
alcohol. Let's say that there at least two sides to every story.
How
> pathetic.
Yes, you are indeed. You are proselytizing from a biased point of view
and, apparently, with little or no knowledge about responsbile and
successful benzo use in clinical practice.
I've been on benzos for forty years - and have succesfully tapered off
when I felt like it - and I'm a happy camper with whose cognitive
capabilities nothing is wrong.
Please stop arguing with everybody here, it's not helping your case.
Philip
>
>
> "nanny" <gloria006@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:48556c17$0$4071$4c368faf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> This is very poor sup****t of a "comrade" in pain. No wonder you want
to
>> remain "anon". There is a place for scientific do***entation, and a
time
>> for sharing years of experience. I prefer the latter myself. Nanny
>> "anon" <shopathonic@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:SIKdnduaVZoJ18jVnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Poor Inky--
>>> Your posts are 100-percent devoid of (a) scientific do***entation
(being
>>> confined to your own perosnal experience, which has no universal
>>> significance) and (b) logic--just because tobacco is more lethal than
>>> benzos does not mean benzos are not dangerous and potentially
>>> destructive. That's like saying that because Bib Macs contain no
>>> hydrogenated oils, they are better for you than Dunkin Donuts.
Fine--does
>>> that mean that it would be just dandy for people for have Big Macs
three
>>> times a day?
>>> I'm sorry that life has brought you to this point--not so much that
>>> you can't functino without a tranquilizer, but that you can't think or
>>> write with the logic or clarity expected of a fifth-grader.
>>> The scientific evidence I have presented in this thread is profuse.
It
>>> ovewhelms your feeble whining.
>>>
>>> "Inky" <InkyNL@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>
news:235331a2-9e99-4b4f-854e-123146284595@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> On 15 jun, 01:07, "anon" <shopatho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> why don't you consult a competent
>>>>> psychiatrist and see about trying to wean yourself from this
>>>>> mind-rotting
>>>>> drug?
>>>> From 5 - 6 panic attacks a day to virtually none, I'd say my
>>>> psychiatrist is _very_ competent. Now, I shall let
alt.sup****t.crohns-
>>>> colitis be, because this discussion does not belong there. However,
>>>> the other drug, I asked you about (and you did not answer) does
belong
>>>> there, since tobacco products are the #1 cause of GERD. You see,
there
>>>> is a lot more to worry about in this world than someone's medication
>>>> issues, wich you don't seem to approve of. Sadly for you, it is not
>>>> your call to make. I trust my docters and my own experience over your
>>>> rantings. Over the past 10 years, I've been off benzos several times
>>>> with no problems at all.
>>>>
>>>
>>
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