Lukey--
Gee, Lukey, I thought that, in your own words,"most of us don't reply to
Willy"--that's "most of us" as in someone with the preadolescent mentality
of seventh-grader who judges the whole world in terms of the attitudes of
his little clique. How sadly regressed and damaged you are emotionally.
Well, I guess "most of us" doesn't include the ever-risible Lukey, who
takes
the bait every time, and ends up frothing and flipping around like a fish
on
a hook. Its an amusing but pathetic spectacle--but a bit boring: so
predictable!
As for a predeliction for insulting people, I noticed that when Debs
launched her fusillade of obscene invective against MindfulMan, Lukey
maintained a discreet silence--as he did when his pal Beez initiated the
acrimony in this exchange, when he called me a "troll," prior to which no
one had insulted anyone. All those offenses against civility move Lukey
not--because, obviously, his main concern his not to speak up in a
principled way against all breaches of civil decorum--no, he obviously
cares
nothing about that, or he would speak up consistently about it. All he
cares
about is using that "issue" tactically to launch personal attacks against
people he doesn't like, for his own psychopathic reasons. On this score,
as
on many others, he's a bizarre and dependable hypocrite.
But that's only the warmup of Lukey's festival of hypocrisy. Parson Lukey
does not practice the probity he preaches to others--he's as surly an
insult
creep as there is on Usenet--what about this charming smorgasbord from his
last two posts alone: "Little Willy,""he's like a broken record," "your
drivel,""you come off as a joke," these are all 100 percent Grade A ad
hominem insults, pure psychopathic zeal--so while you're busy quoting
examples of this sort of thing, start with yourself, Dr. Lukey. (By the
way,
I simply gave Beez a taste of his own medecine after he called me a
"troll."
I did not initiate the acrimony--but Lukey, in his obsessive hate-blinded
hypocrisy, can't see that.)
As for reading comprehension: Lukey wrote that I "can't seem to understand
things, like the difference between surviving the stomach and surviving in
the gut." Then he writes, " I never mentioned the stomach lining in my
posts, not once." But the issue here was whether beneficial bacteria get
absorbed into the system in the stomach lining or colonize the
intestines--what colossal intellectual dishonesty--he's playing games here
to score points, even at the expense of trampling the clear intent of his
own words.
Lukey, you are not a pharmacologist or a physician, thank God, given your
limited analytical abilities and irresponsible personal ethics. But you,
like several other irresponsible posters out here, like to play one on
Usenet on the basos of zero professional training and credentials but a
smattering of reading you do on the Internet, which you think somehow
qualifies you to dispense professional judgments on matters that other
people spend years and years studying before they become qualified to make
judgments about. That's an ethical atrocity.
As for research resources, Consumers Union is the largest and most richly
endowed private nonprofit consumer research organization in the world,
with
the most stringent standards of integrity--they do not take advertising,
and
they sue anyone who even attempts to quote their Consumer Re****ts ratings
in
advertising--and they have won every such lawsuit. Their re****t on
probiotics re****ts the opinions of experts they consulted in this matter,
and those experts said that enteric-coated probiotics give the beneficial
bacteria a better chance of actually reaching the intestines.
So . . . we (a) have the re****t of the most esteemed consumer research
organization in the world, butressed by the testimony of the professional
research experts they consulted, vs. (b) the inept, poorly interpreted,
scattered Internet searches of a vicious, attack-dog Usenet psycho like
Lukey, who stands up to these experts with his own crackpot personal
opinion
that enteric-coated probiotics present no such advantage, even though he
uses one (raging hypocrisy again!).
Rational people can examine the merits of (a) vs. (b). I am confident of
the
choice they will make.
Now, Lukey, are you going to join your seventh-grade clique once again and
revert to being one of those people "who does not respond to me," or are
you
going to take the bait again and writhe and whine helplessly once more?
Tune
in for the grand anticlimax . . .
"zumone2002" <zumone2002@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:b669fc83-fd60-47dc-a51d-2dfccd1e39d4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hiya Willy,
>
> anon wrote:
>> I enjoy insulting people?
> demented / bizarre gob of rhetorical spit / spiteful, repressed little
> ball of anger / skulked away in silence / nursing his two-year-old
> grudge / a truly psychopathic pattern
>
> That's what the evidence says Little Willy. Its truly a pity you are
> so bad at that too, some creative insults would liven up your drivel.
>
>> For starters, exactly what don't I understand about
>> the difference between stomach lining and surviving in the gut?
>
> Simple English words and sentences for a start. I never mentioned
> the stomach lining in my posts, not once. Between your terrible
> reading comprehension and your inability to accept ideas outside your
> limited framework, you come off as a joke.
>
>> Yet NOW YOU ARE TAKING ENTERIC-COATED PROBIOTICS
>> YOURSELF!
>
> Laugh all you want, its good for you.
>
> I'm using the same brand though a slightly different formula than I
> did back then and both are enteric coated. Again your poor reading
> comprehension probably caused you to miss my posting that information
> back in 2006. Go check, I think you'll laugh some more when you find
> it.
>
>> As I said, the proof is in the kishkas, not in your demented
>> spews of psychopathy and hate, which discredit your every word--along
>> with
>> the fact that you use the very kind of product you worked so hard to
>> discredit two long years ago!
>
> As anyone with a working brain could tell, back in 2006 I pointed out
> that there was little evidence for the successful use of enteric
> coating in probiotics. Historically, live bacteria enter the gut via
> the mouth and those that survive the trip have a chance to colonize
> the gut.
>
> Enteric coated probiotics use freeze dried bacteria. How well do
> they survive in the gut, competing with living, established
> bacteria? Non-coated probiotics use freeze dried bacteria too but
> since they have a chance to come alive in the stomach, at least the
> survivors are alive when they reach the gut and have to compete.
>
> Is one better than another? I haven't seen any data to sup****t
> enteric coating over non-coated. VSL#3, the most widely studied
> probiotic isn't coated. It comes as a powder, gets mixed with food or
> drink, which gives the bacteria a chance to come alive before entering
> the body.
>
> As for what I recommend:
> 1) Check with your doctor, you might have other medical conditions
> that would restrict the use of probiotics.
> 2) Try out different probiotics products and see if any help you. If
> they do, stick with a product that helps you and is one you can
> afford.
> 3) Probiotics may need some time to take effect, a week probably isn't
> enough. A month is better but I've never seen any decent rule.
> 4) I like VSL#3 due to the amount of research on it. I don't use it
> myself due to the expense.
> 5) Remember that while probiotics are GRAS, they can cause some side
> effects (e.g. gas) and some people have re****ted problems using them.
> 6) Consider getting probiotics in your food. If you like / tolerate
> yogurt, you can make your own. You won't get all the species
> available from supplements but you can get live ones.
> - - - - -
> 7) I dislike the hype Primal Defense had when I checked into it (CFUs
> aren't for our product!).
> 8) I think you're more likely to get live bacteria in refrigerated
> brands but since supplements aren't well regulated even refrigerated
> products may be mostly dead.
> 9) Reading the Consumer's Re****ts article for background and
> information and brand information but remember, their resources are
> limited and they don't test everything or often.
> 10) Remember that probiotics are a complex subject. There are
> thousands of possible probiotic bacteria and only a few have been
> tested and not for all medical conditions. Then you get combinational
> complexity: bacteria A may only be beneficial in the presence of
> bacteria B, and diet can effect intestinal fauna, medications too.
>
> --
> Luke
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