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Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?

by zumone2002 <zumone2002@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 8, 2008 at 08:09 AM

Hiya Willy,

anon wrote:
> I enjoy insulting people?
demented / bizarre gob of rhetorical spit / spiteful, repressed little
ball of anger / skulked away in silence / nursing his two-year-old
grudge / a truly psychopathic pattern

	That's what the evidence says Little Willy.  Its truly a pity you are
so bad at that too, some creative insults would liven up your drivel.

> For starters, exactly what don't I understand about
> the difference between stomach lining and surviving in the gut?

	Simple English words and sentences for a start.  I never mentioned
the stomach lining in my posts, not once.  Between your terrible
reading comprehension and your inability to accept ideas outside your
limited framework, you come off as a joke.

> Yet NOW YOU ARE TAKING ENTERIC-COATED PROBIOTICS
> YOURSELF!

	Laugh all you want, its good for you.

	I'm using the same brand though a slightly different formula than I
did back then and both are enteric coated.  Again your poor reading
comprehension probably caused you to miss my posting that information
back in 2006.  Go check, I think you'll laugh some more when you find
it.

> As I said, the proof is in the kishkas, not in your demented
> spews of psychopathy and hate, which discredit your every word--along
with
> the fact that you use the very kind of product you worked so hard to
> discredit two long years ago!

	As anyone with a working brain could tell, back in 2006 I pointed out
that there was little evidence for the successful use of enteric
coating in probiotics.  Historically, live bacteria enter the gut via
the mouth and those that survive the trip have a chance to colonize
the gut.

	Enteric coated probiotics use freeze dried bacteria.  How well do
they survive in the gut, competing with living, established
bacteria?   Non-coated probiotics use freeze dried bacteria too but
since they have a chance to come alive in the stomach, at least the
survivors are alive when they reach the gut and have to compete.

	Is one better than another?  I haven't seen any data to sup****t
enteric coating over non-coated.  VSL#3, the most widely studied
probiotic isn't coated.  It comes as a powder, gets mixed with food or
drink, which gives the bacteria a chance to come alive before entering
the body.

	As for what I recommend:
1) Check with your doctor, you might have other medical conditions
that would restrict the use of probiotics.
2) Try out different probiotics products and see if any help you.  If
they do, stick with a product that helps you and is one you can
afford.
3) Probiotics may need some time to take effect, a week probably isn't
enough.  A month is better but I've never seen any decent rule.
4) I like VSL#3 due to the amount of research on it.   I don't use it
myself due to the expense.
5) Remember that while probiotics are GRAS, they can cause some side
effects (e.g. gas) and some people have re****ted problems using them.
6) Consider getting probiotics in your food.  If you like / tolerate
yogurt, you can make your own.  You won't get all the species
available from supplements but you can get live ones.
-	-	-	-	-
7) I dislike the hype Primal Defense had when I checked into it (CFUs
aren't for our product!).
8) I think you're more likely to get live bacteria in refrigerated
brands but since supplements aren't well regulated even refrigerated
products may be mostly dead.
9) Reading the Consumer's Re****ts article for background and
information and brand information but remember, their resources are
limited and they don't test everything or often.
10) Remember that probiotics are a complex subject.  There are
thousands of possible probiotic bacteria and only a few have been
tested and not for all medical conditions.  Then you get combinational
complexity: bacteria A may only be beneficial in the presence of
bacteria B, and diet can effect intestinal fauna, medications too.

--
Luke
 




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Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
Crane <hatespam@[EMAIL  2008-05-27 21:43:37 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
Wayne Marsh <waynegmar  2008-05-27 17:05:05 
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Crane <hatespam@[EMAIL  2008-05-27 23:03:11 
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"Jeff" <jn84  2008-06-02 11:59:13 
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Beez <beasdg@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-27 15:42:44 
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Crane <hatespam@[EMAIL  2008-05-27 23:01:19 
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Rufus <not@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-28 06:13:14 
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Crane <hatespam@[EMAIL  2008-05-28 08:17:00 
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jswhitejrusa <jswhitej  2008-05-28 05:02:42 
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Jeanette <jrusso2@[EMA  2008-05-28 08:56:53 
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"anon" <shop  2008-05-28 13:51:14 
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Beez <beasdg@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-28 13:05:55 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
"anon" <shop  2008-05-28 16:39:10 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
zumone2002 <zumone2002  2008-06-08 08:09:24 
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"anon" <shop  2008-06-08 12:57:35 
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Beez <beasdg@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-28 13:52:18 
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"anon" <shop  2008-05-28 17:20:01 
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Beez <beasdg@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-28 15:22:18 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
"anon" <shop  2008-05-28 19:53:34 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
"anon" <shop  2008-05-28 20:03:07 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
Crane <hatespam@[EMAIL  2008-05-29 02:42:56 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
"anon" <shop  2008-05-28 23:12:05 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
zumone2002@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-06-02 19:18:12 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
Beez <beasdg@[EMAIL PR  2008-06-03 12:13:00 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
Beez <beasdg@[EMAIL PR  2008-06-03 14:53:07 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
"anon" <shop  2008-06-04 00:22:37 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
zumone2002 <zumone2002  2008-06-06 16:17:45 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
"anon" <shop  2008-06-06 19:46:39 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
Anon <anon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-06-07 18:01:16 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
Beez <beasdg@[EMAIL PR  2008-06-06 16:49:25 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
"anon" <shop  2008-06-06 19:59:19 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
Beez <beasdg@[EMAIL PR  2008-06-06 17:12:09 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
"anon" <shop  2008-06-06 20:16:55 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
zumone2002 <zumone2002  2008-06-06 22:45:54 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
"anon" <shop  2008-06-07 02:05:25 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
"anon" <shop  2008-06-07 02:33:05 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
Beez <beasdg@[EMAIL PR  2008-06-09 13:53:25 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
"anon" <shop  2008-06-09 18:47:06 
Re: Probiotis/VSL3 aggrevating colitis?
"Mr S" <max@  2008-06-19 22:20:50 

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