I think I heard that the human species picks up probiotics in mother's
milk. I imagine there are all kind of exposures in the birth canal.
zumone2002 wrote:
> Hello Dave,
>
> Beez wrote:
>
>> VERY interesting, Luke, but this study leads me to another novel
>> question: Which came first, the chicken or the egg???
>
> The egg. The proto-chicken (or its mate) had some mutated gametes
> which lead to the creation of an egg with a modern chicken.
>
>> So you are saying that possibly humans too are actually born with our
>> intestinal flora intact?
>
> No, I just thought the study was topical for this discussion. For
> mammals, I think we may be born with some but get a lot orally.
>
>> Do you think probiotic supplements are
>> useless unless enterically coated?
>
> No.
>
> I've gone over this ground with Willy before which is why I didn't
> jump in earlier. See
>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sup****t.crohns-colitis/browse_frm/thread/fa4f4573ac71a5e6/058b024a0f791c6c
> from August 2006.
>
> Evidence to sup****t the use on non-enteric coated probiotics:
> yogurt. Yogurt is one of the foods known to contain probiotic
> bacteria. Where to you think the supplement manufacturers got the
> idea? This is also why, in the USA, they get to sell untested
> supplements, they're based on food products.
>
> If you go to PubMed and search for probiotics you'll find a lot of
> studies, many for VSL#3, a non-enteric coated probiotic. For example:
> “Probiotics: sorting the evidence from the myths.”
>
> “Probiotics consist of yeast or bacteria, especially lactic acid
> bacteria. They are available as capsules, powder, fermented milks or
> yoghurts. Probiotics exhibit strain-specific differences in their
> resistance to acid and bile, ability to colonise the gastrointestinal
> tract, clinical efficacy, and benefits to the health of the host.
> There is level I evidence for the use of probiotics in treating acute
> infectious diarrhoea and preventing antibiotic-associated diarrhoea,
> with Lactobacillus rhamnosus GG and Saccharomyces boulardii having the
> most evidence to sup****t their use for these conditions. There is
> level II evidence that S. boulardii combined with high-dose vancomycin
> is more effective than the antibiotic alone in preventing recurrent
> Clostridium difficile diarrhoea. There is level I evidence that
> probiotics prevent traveller's diarrhoea. There is level I evidence
> for use of the high-potency probiotic VSL#3 in preventing pouchitis,
> and level II evidence for this agent in preventing relapse in patients
> with ulcerative colitis. Probiotics are generally regarded as safe and
> well tolerated. Some probiotics may be contraindicated in patients who
> are immunocompromised or have severe underlying illness, as they have
> been re****ted to cause fungaemia and bacteraemia. “
>
> (Level I: Evidence obtained from at least one properly designed
> randomized controlled trial,
> Level II-1: Evidence obtained from well-designed controlled trials
> without randomization,
> Level II-2: Evidence obtained from well-designed cohort or case-
> control analytic studies, preferably from more than one center or
> research group.)
>
> If you search for “Nature's Way Primadophilus”, Willy's preferred
> brand, you won't find any matches. It may have been studied but isn't
> listed by name in the search indices.
>
> Given that the normal way for people to get intestinal bacteria is
> orally, and has been for most of history, I'd rather see evidence that
> enteric coatings help the bacteria survive in the gut. Surviving the
> transit of the stomach is one thing, actually improving the survival
> in the gut is something else.
>
> I use a refrigerated, enteric coated probiotic. Of the few I've
> tried, this one seems to help a little and fits my budget. VSL#3 was
> just too expensive for me to do more than a month.
>
> --
> Luke
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